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		<title>By: Liezl Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>Liezl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all
I am also an industrial engineer, but have been educating companies on the issues mentioned above for some time. As a result, I have heard many comments and issues regarding the integration of functions. I firmly believe that S&amp;OP or Integrated Business Management or any other name you want to call it, goes a long way towards understanding of all departmental issues and the alignment of a business to all work in the same direction. I also want to include another department that should be joining Supply Chain and Finance as a minimum: Sales. Everything is driven by the demand from customers and so often the sales department has a much greater influence on working capital and inventory than the others (through their forecast). 

I do not see this as the root cause of the problem. I believe (and concur with some previous comments) that the performance management system of a company is the starting point to align all behaviour, and as such the alignment of company objectives. 

Business success is all about people and processes, and if you do not direct your people and encourage the correct behaviour through the correct metrics, you cannot ever integrate all functions and make them work together. 

I also agree that very few companies see the above two solutions (which may cost you a lot less than throwing expensive software at a problem) as the answer. And it definitely cannot happen without the support and drive from the top.

So in summary, the ingredients better alignment and subsequently performance (my humble opinion):
1. Top management drive and focus
2. Focus on performance management (people and processes)
3. S&amp;OP/ Integrated Business Management</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all<br />
I am also an industrial engineer, but have been educating companies on the issues mentioned above for some time. As a result, I have heard many comments and issues regarding the integration of functions. I firmly believe that S&amp;OP or Integrated Business Management or any other name you want to call it, goes a long way towards understanding of all departmental issues and the alignment of a business to all work in the same direction. I also want to include another department that should be joining Supply Chain and Finance as a minimum: Sales. Everything is driven by the demand from customers and so often the sales department has a much greater influence on working capital and inventory than the others (through their forecast). </p>
<p>I do not see this as the root cause of the problem. I believe (and concur with some previous comments) that the performance management system of a company is the starting point to align all behaviour, and as such the alignment of company objectives. </p>
<p>Business success is all about people and processes, and if you do not direct your people and encourage the correct behaviour through the correct metrics, you cannot ever integrate all functions and make them work together. </p>
<p>I also agree that very few companies see the above two solutions (which may cost you a lot less than throwing expensive software at a problem) as the answer. And it definitely cannot happen without the support and drive from the top.</p>
<p>So in summary, the ingredients better alignment and subsequently performance (my humble opinion):<br />
1. Top management drive and focus<br />
2. Focus on performance management (people and processes)<br />
3. S&amp;OP/ Integrated Business Management</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Miles</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3783</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred needs a separate reply, if for no other reasons than that he is an educator and an Industrial Engineer, and I have a lot of debt to pay to each.  From a foundational perspective there have been no more important courses than &quot;Queueing Theory&quot;, &quot;Finance&quot; (for engineers!!), and &quot;Systems Theory&quot;, which I studied as a PhD student in Industrial Engineering at Penn State.

More importantly, the point Fred makes about outsourcing is bang on the mark.  Outsourcing is a financial instrument tha has wrecked havoc on operations.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I think that, notwithstanding the social consequences, outsourcing has been a very good thing for western companies and consumers.  Where I think Fred is bang on the mark is in his remarks that the assumption was that somehow the operational aspects would sort themselves out and &quot;that somehow the suppliers would just &#039;do it&#039; without facing the same complications as the vertical plant&quot;.  The reality is far from this rosy picture.  If we add product proliferation and demand volatility to the picture, there has bee a huge rise in supply chain complexity, and, as Fred point out, &quot;the typical CFO has not conceded the free lunch concept and still underestimates the complications and real potential of SCM&quot;.

Fred&#039;s last paragraph is parhaps the most important, especially this statement that &quot;... the Operations people have lost their Industrial Engineers and their scientific approach and therefore have trouble articulating or predicting what it is feasible for the supply chain to do. Ultimately, their SCM strategy becomes limited to chasing parts and there is no-one left to understand the science.&quot;  Yet one had to only read Kendall&#039;s post, specifically his statement that &quot;I am not a college graduate or certified manager, but I am full of common sense and understand that what is on the shelf is an asset or debit, depending on what side of the fence you are on&quot;, to understand that &quot;science&quot; is a fairly blunt intstrument and that the enablement of people like Kendall to evaluate gut-feel/human judgment alternatives to solving a problem through the evaluation of operational and financial metrics is the better way to go.

As much as there is a gap between Finance and Supply Chain, there is a gap between the long-term planning typically carried out at a corporate level, and the operational level decision making that has to be made by front-line people such as Kendall.  Nothing exemplifies this issue better than his statement that &quot;I was given the &#039;key to the cage&#039; and told to create a working inventory in which I had little, if any, decision making input.&quot;  Let&#039;s make sure that the limitations of our &quot;scientific approach&quot; are understood and that we use these to provide targets for front-line people such as Kendall, but give him the authority and tools to get on with his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred needs a separate reply, if for no other reasons than that he is an educator and an Industrial Engineer, and I have a lot of debt to pay to each.  From a foundational perspective there have been no more important courses than &#8220;Queueing Theory&#8221;, &#8220;Finance&#8221; (for engineers!!), and &#8220;Systems Theory&#8221;, which I studied as a PhD student in Industrial Engineering at Penn State.</p>
<p>More importantly, the point Fred makes about outsourcing is bang on the mark.  Outsourcing is a financial instrument tha has wrecked havoc on operations.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think that, notwithstanding the social consequences, outsourcing has been a very good thing for western companies and consumers.  Where I think Fred is bang on the mark is in his remarks that the assumption was that somehow the operational aspects would sort themselves out and &#8220;that somehow the suppliers would just &#8216;do it&#8217; without facing the same complications as the vertical plant&#8221;.  The reality is far from this rosy picture.  If we add product proliferation and demand volatility to the picture, there has bee a huge rise in supply chain complexity, and, as Fred point out, &#8220;the typical CFO has not conceded the free lunch concept and still underestimates the complications and real potential of SCM&#8221;.</p>
<p>Fred&#8217;s last paragraph is parhaps the most important, especially this statement that &#8220;&#8230; the Operations people have lost their Industrial Engineers and their scientific approach and therefore have trouble articulating or predicting what it is feasible for the supply chain to do. Ultimately, their SCM strategy becomes limited to chasing parts and there is no-one left to understand the science.&#8221;  Yet one had to only read Kendall&#8217;s post, specifically his statement that &#8220;I am not a college graduate or certified manager, but I am full of common sense and understand that what is on the shelf is an asset or debit, depending on what side of the fence you are on&#8221;, to understand that &#8220;science&#8221; is a fairly blunt intstrument and that the enablement of people like Kendall to evaluate gut-feel/human judgment alternatives to solving a problem through the evaluation of operational and financial metrics is the better way to go.</p>
<p>As much as there is a gap between Finance and Supply Chain, there is a gap between the long-term planning typically carried out at a corporate level, and the operational level decision making that has to be made by front-line people such as Kendall.  Nothing exemplifies this issue better than his statement that &#8220;I was given the &#8216;key to the cage&#8217; and told to create a working inventory in which I had little, if any, decision making input.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s make sure that the limitations of our &#8220;scientific approach&#8221; are understood and that we use these to provide targets for front-line people such as Kendall, but give him the authority and tools to get on with his job.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Miles</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3782</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great complementary comments made by Curtis and Millard.  I agree with Millard that SCM touches nearly all business functions, and Curtis points out that, unfortunately, each function is measured separately and differently.

There are companies that understand the golden thread weaved by the supply chain through all their operations, and these should be rightly applauded and used as examples to which others should aspire.  The AMR Top 25 is an example of how the best performers are appluaded, and much of the manner in which they are measured is based on financial and operational metrics which span the organizations, such as cash-to-cash cycle.

Yet I agree with Curtis &quot;... that most businesses never see a connection between manufacturing and service, sourcing and engineering or R&amp;D and material management&quot;, which is an idea echoed by Ed and Millard.  Millard states that &quot;SCM professionals need to understand the fundementals of all business functions (manufacturing, finance, sales, marketing, etc.) in order to be able to explain the potential contributions and build meaningful metrics&quot;.  These statements combined support my original point that Finance knows too little about Operations (supply chain), and Operations (supply chain) knows too little about Finance.  

The potential is huge, the opportunity is within reach.  Visibility is key to enabling a transparent and collaborative environment in which all functions can collaborate to reach consensus through compromise.  While there is a lot of organizational chnage required, technology is a great enabler, and sustainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great complementary comments made by Curtis and Millard.  I agree with Millard that SCM touches nearly all business functions, and Curtis points out that, unfortunately, each function is measured separately and differently.</p>
<p>There are companies that understand the golden thread weaved by the supply chain through all their operations, and these should be rightly applauded and used as examples to which others should aspire.  The AMR Top 25 is an example of how the best performers are appluaded, and much of the manner in which they are measured is based on financial and operational metrics which span the organizations, such as cash-to-cash cycle.</p>
<p>Yet I agree with Curtis &#8220;&#8230; that most businesses never see a connection between manufacturing and service, sourcing and engineering or R&amp;D and material management&#8221;, which is an idea echoed by Ed and Millard.  Millard states that &#8220;SCM professionals need to understand the fundementals of all business functions (manufacturing, finance, sales, marketing, etc.) in order to be able to explain the potential contributions and build meaningful metrics&#8221;.  These statements combined support my original point that Finance knows too little about Operations (supply chain), and Operations (supply chain) knows too little about Finance.  </p>
<p>The potential is huge, the opportunity is within reach.  Visibility is key to enabling a transparent and collaborative environment in which all functions can collaborate to reach consensus through compromise.  While there is a lot of organizational chnage required, technology is a great enabler, and sustainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Engelberger</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3777</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Engelberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Industrial Engineer by Education and I have found Supply Chain Strategy to be an Industrial Engineering Application. In an earlier era of industry most large and many mid sized manufacturers were very vertically integrated, Instead of managing a supply chain you would basically be managing an incredibly long “manufacturing chain”. To be effective in managing this chain a plethora of Industrial Engineering type tools were invented to determine economic lot sizes, estimated queues, lead-time offsets, optimal capacity utilization, etc...

When outsourcing became a vogue way of shedding the risks, costs and complications of the vertical system it was too simply assumed that it would be “free” in the sense that somehow the suppliers would just “do it” without facing the same complications as the vertical plant. In reality SCM, indeed, required those same Industrial Engineering applications, only they would need to be spread amongst different companies as opposed to different departments.

It is my theory that the typical CFO has not conceded the free lunch concept and still underestimates the complications and real potential of SCM. Sadly I feel that the Operations people have lost their Industrial Engineers and their scientific approach and therefore have trouble articulating or predicting what it is feasible for the supply chain to do. Ultimately, their SCM strategy becomes limited to chasing parts and there is no-one left to understand the science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Industrial Engineer by Education and I have found Supply Chain Strategy to be an Industrial Engineering Application. In an earlier era of industry most large and many mid sized manufacturers were very vertically integrated, Instead of managing a supply chain you would basically be managing an incredibly long “manufacturing chain”. To be effective in managing this chain a plethora of Industrial Engineering type tools were invented to determine economic lot sizes, estimated queues, lead-time offsets, optimal capacity utilization, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>When outsourcing became a vogue way of shedding the risks, costs and complications of the vertical system it was too simply assumed that it would be “free” in the sense that somehow the suppliers would just “do it” without facing the same complications as the vertical plant. In reality SCM, indeed, required those same Industrial Engineering applications, only they would need to be spread amongst different companies as opposed to different departments.</p>
<p>It is my theory that the typical CFO has not conceded the free lunch concept and still underestimates the complications and real potential of SCM. Sadly I feel that the Operations people have lost their Industrial Engineers and their scientific approach and therefore have trouble articulating or predicting what it is feasible for the supply chain to do. Ultimately, their SCM strategy becomes limited to chasing parts and there is no-one left to understand the science.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Iglehart</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3772</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall Iglehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the above comments are validated daily by the corporate world.  Supply Chain management and finance are two in the same.  And the thought, that business treat the supply chain as an after thought, is a mind set the supply chain must contend with daily.
  I ran an Engineering warehouse for a company who&#039;s goal was bottom line profit margin based.  And though I tried endlessly to demonstrate the monitary value of lean manufacturing, to know avail, those ideas went unheard by the executive branch.
  As Mr. Hancock explains, I was given the &quot;key to the cage&quot; and told to create a working inventory in which I had little, if any, decision making input.  I am not a college graduate or certified manager, but I am full of common sence and understand that what is on the shelf is an asset or debit, depending on what side of the fence you are on.  Proactivity should be the rule of thumb in all cases, however, in the real world we know that is not the case.  I believe supply chain knowledge is an area executives today should focus on.  I&#039;m sure their shareholders would appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the above comments are validated daily by the corporate world.  Supply Chain management and finance are two in the same.  And the thought, that business treat the supply chain as an after thought, is a mind set the supply chain must contend with daily.<br />
  I ran an Engineering warehouse for a company who&#8217;s goal was bottom line profit margin based.  And though I tried endlessly to demonstrate the monitary value of lean manufacturing, to know avail, those ideas went unheard by the executive branch.<br />
  As Mr. Hancock explains, I was given the &#8220;key to the cage&#8221; and told to create a working inventory in which I had little, if any, decision making input.  I am not a college graduate or certified manager, but I am full of common sence and understand that what is on the shelf is an asset or debit, depending on what side of the fence you are on.  Proactivity should be the rule of thumb in all cases, however, in the real world we know that is not the case.  I believe supply chain knowledge is an area executives today should focus on.  I&#8217;m sure their shareholders would appreciate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Millard</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3768</link>
		<dc:creator>Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Miles, your commentary is very much on-point. Effective supply chain and logistics management is a major driver for the critical business success elements of:
•  Strategic differentiation,
•  Competitive advantage and
•  Dramatic financial and operational improvements.
SCM professionals need to understand the fundementals of all business functions (manufacturing, finance, sales, marketing, etc.) in order to be able to explain the potential contributions and build meaningful metrics. Understand period costs, working capital (all categories), segmentation/differention, volume/rate/efficiency variances, et.al. and how these are impacted by SCM. One of the most exciting aspects of supply chain/logistics management is that we &quot;touch&quot; nearly all business functions, including the customer. Be proactive and don&#039;t wait for others to fully understand your profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Miles, your commentary is very much on-point. Effective supply chain and logistics management is a major driver for the critical business success elements of:<br />
•  Strategic differentiation,<br />
•  Competitive advantage and<br />
•  Dramatic financial and operational improvements.<br />
SCM professionals need to understand the fundementals of all business functions (manufacturing, finance, sales, marketing, etc.) in order to be able to explain the potential contributions and build meaningful metrics. Understand period costs, working capital (all categories), segmentation/differention, volume/rate/efficiency variances, et.al. and how these are impacted by SCM. One of the most exciting aspects of supply chain/logistics management is that we &#8220;touch&#8221; nearly all business functions, including the customer. Be proactive and don&#8217;t wait for others to fully understand your profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Crays</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3767</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Crays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience, working for a Fortune 100 company within the Supply Chain, concurs with John&#039;s point about metrics. While their intention is to energize, establish goals and force discussions, the net result is a silo focus. Meaning...a paradigm to which managers only worry about meeting their number, for personal and professional reasons, results in a complete disregard for the overall business impact - which ironically could put a business out of business.

Managing a business like Ed is seems very straight forward. Each variable impacting the business is congruent. There isn&#039;t one element of a business that doesn&#039;t impact another. While my focus for the past 19 years has been on one business, I contend my experience internally compared to what I read daily supports that most businesses never see a connection between manufacturing and service, sourcing and engineering or R&amp;D and material management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience, working for a Fortune 100 company within the Supply Chain, concurs with John&#8217;s point about metrics. While their intention is to energize, establish goals and force discussions, the net result is a silo focus. Meaning&#8230;a paradigm to which managers only worry about meeting their number, for personal and professional reasons, results in a complete disregard for the overall business impact &#8211; which ironically could put a business out of business.</p>
<p>Managing a business like Ed is seems very straight forward. Each variable impacting the business is congruent. There isn&#8217;t one element of a business that doesn&#8217;t impact another. While my focus for the past 19 years has been on one business, I contend my experience internally compared to what I read daily supports that most businesses never see a connection between manufacturing and service, sourcing and engineering or R&amp;D and material management.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandrasekar</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3764</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandrasekar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JOhn, Trevor, Ed

I will agree with Trevor and John. I feel and believe turning around is somewhat like our cricket nowdays. The initial period we have POwerplays, where in the batsmen have to go bang-bang and have a terrific starting rate, and then once the powerplay is over, the acceleration slows down, so that the startegy can be finalised and innings steadied. So too, when we look to turnaround, the stimulus has to be so powerful, that the starting rate should be sky high and then slowly strategies to be formulated, which will steady the ship. Yes, so we have to be aggresive in the starting and then defend the strategy. I feel that our company too is on the way to the bottom, since the strategy that was formulated was a very defensive, in the sense too much focus was provided to reduce costs.....I learn so much from this discussion, happy to be part of it. I have just 9 years of experience, and my deep aim is to become the best in SUPPLY CHAIN PROFESSION</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JOhn, Trevor, Ed</p>
<p>I will agree with Trevor and John. I feel and believe turning around is somewhat like our cricket nowdays. The initial period we have POwerplays, where in the batsmen have to go bang-bang and have a terrific starting rate, and then once the powerplay is over, the acceleration slows down, so that the startegy can be finalised and innings steadied. So too, when we look to turnaround, the stimulus has to be so powerful, that the starting rate should be sky high and then slowly strategies to be formulated, which will steady the ship. Yes, so we have to be aggresive in the starting and then defend the strategy. I feel that our company too is on the way to the bottom, since the strategy that was formulated was a very defensive, in the sense too much focus was provided to reduce costs&#8230;..I learn so much from this discussion, happy to be part of it. I have just 9 years of experience, and my deep aim is to become the best in SUPPLY CHAIN PROFESSION</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Miles</title>
		<link>http://blog.kinaxis.com/2009/06/supply-chain-growing-in-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-3762</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, it is great to hear your story.  This is how it should happen, but sadly, as mentioned by John and me, this happens in far too few companies.  And I agree with you that &quot;... it is the only way to run a successful business.&quot;

Of course we have to concede that there are lots of successful companies that are not run in this manner, but I contend that they would be a lot more successful if they did operate in this manner.  The issue is that while they are successful there is little incentive to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, it is great to hear your story.  This is how it should happen, but sadly, as mentioned by John and me, this happens in far too few companies.  And I agree with you that &#8220;&#8230; it is the only way to run a successful business.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course we have to concede that there are lots of successful companies that are not run in this manner, but I contend that they would be a lot more successful if they did operate in this manner.  The issue is that while they are successful there is little incentive to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to hear so many of my colleagues are experiencing such a gulf between supply chain and finance.  My experience is much different.  I ran the supply chain for my business unit and my office was next to the finance director.  We had an integrated Sales and Operations Planning process where the sales forecast, financial forecast and supply plan were all tied together.  It worked great.  At our executive S&amp;OP meetings, the primary players were the head of worldwide sales, the finance director, the general manager and myself.  We had lots of heated arguments, but we always ended up on the same page.  I can&#039;t imagine it being any other way.  In my opinion, it is the only way to run a successful business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to hear so many of my colleagues are experiencing such a gulf between supply chain and finance.  My experience is much different.  I ran the supply chain for my business unit and my office was next to the finance director.  We had an integrated Sales and Operations Planning process where the sales forecast, financial forecast and supply plan were all tied together.  It worked great.  At our executive S&amp;OP meetings, the primary players were the head of worldwide sales, the finance director, the general manager and myself.  We had lots of heated arguments, but we always ended up on the same page.  I can&#8217;t imagine it being any other way.  In my opinion, it is the only way to run a successful business.</p>
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