12 Responses to “Can you get too Lean?”

  1. Tim McMahon

    I wrote an article a couple day ago on this John Deere article. The point was that what John Deere is doing or at least what the author portrays is not Lean but rathe L.A.M.E. (Lean As Misguidedly Executed). Check it out here.
    http://leanjourneytruenorth.blogspot.com/2010/04/lean-blamed-for-perils-at-john-deere.html

    Tim McMahon
    A Lean Journey Blog
    http://leanjourneytruenorth.blogspot.com

  2. Trevor Miles

    Hi Tim

    Thanks for the comment. I read your blog and the comments. In truth I can’t tell from your comment above and from your blog whether or not your agree with me. Clearly we both agree that Deere probably did not implement Lean very well. It is more on the side of the suggested solution that I an unclear whether you agree with me or not.

    From what I do know about Lean, the one comment that really struck a cord was “oh, and you need very level, predictable demand”. Perhaps it is just my ignorance of Lean, but several friends of mine who are Lean black belts have grudgingly admitted that Lean is severely tested in situations with high demand volatility. This is expecially true in environments with highly configurable end items, such as Ag. This is what I refer to as the “toxic mix”.

    Toyota has been a master at market analysis and demand shaping, all in the pursuit of “level loading”. They have a relatively small product variation compared with volume, and in reality very few of their cars are configured by end customers. So undoubtedly we could argue that Deere should have done better market analysis. However I still believe that postponement will be key to Deere because of the much higher product variation compared with volume, and the fact that the customers can configure their specific tractors, all with any equipment.

    Comments?

    Regards
    Trevor

  3. Matt Wrye

    I think Tim is right about Deere doing L.A.M.E. and not Lean. Lean is not level loading. Level loading is a tool that Toyota has used to help them keep their inventories lower. But level loading does not work all business or organizations. Take hospitals for example. You could never level load an ER, but there are plenty of hospitals (Tedacare and Virginia Mason as examples) who are implementing Lean extremely successful, even in their ERs. Lean is about problem solving to drive out waste and respect for people. It sounds like Deere just copied what Toyota did with the leveling which is L.A.M.E. If Deere was truly solving problems they would understand their seasonality and apply what tools/concepts/ideas are appropriate to their business and help make them work.

    The other very likely possibility is that there was something else that Deere did to cause their problems and it had nothing to do with Lean or load leveling, but the author from Business Week could pick up on it and wrote how it was load leveling and leans fault. it would be the first time a misunderstanding like that happened.

  4. Trevor Miles

    Thanks Matt. Could my suggestion – be more like AGCO – be classified as a better implementation of Lean?

  5. Matt Wrye

    It depends on their business model and how they choose to serve the customer. McDonald’s vs Burger King. They are in the same industry but have different business models causing different things to be highlighted. McDonald’s works on a model that you have have your food this instant unless you want something special then you have to wait. So they have higher FGs and lower WIP. Burger King’s model is “Have it your way.” They cater to being able to customize your burger. You have to wait a little bit longer but you get exactly what you want reasonably fast. They have higher WIP but lower FGs. Lean is about understanding your business model and customers doing what is right to drive the most value for your customer base with the least amount of waste while having respect for people.

  6. Josh Coldiron

    Trevor, I do not think you can be too Lean, and I do not think Lean was Deere’s problem. I agree with your conclusions that AGCO has done a better job with Lean. I also feel that Deere misjudge the risk of running their inventories too low. It seems they did not have the Supply Chain in place that could respond as quickly as needed. They misjudged the risks of running their inventories too low.

  7. Trevor Miles

    Thanks Matt. Putting things in a new context is often helpful in bringing out the concepts.

    If McD makes too many of one type of burger they will sit on the warming shelf for ever. A customer will either have to eat an old burger or wait for a new burger, one of the one’s McD did not prepare even if it a “standard”. If they do not have an effective preparation process, they may be faced with the double whammy of customer’s waiting too long and food that has spoiled.

    In other words, it goes beyond the business model into operations, which should always be organized and incented to achieve the business model, not just the business objectives.

  8. Chris Hansen

    I have not read the article, and I do not know the John Deer case, so I just response to your question – based on experiense from other companies.

    I my opinion you can not become too Lean, but you can become tool Lean.
    That could be the case if you are just implementing lean tools without:
    - top management driving it
    - people involvment
    - setting customers first
    - understanding the capability of your system
    - being able to absorb variation

    So my short answer is: No

  9. Ron Freiberg

    You all have expressed some elements of the right answer however after spending the better part four decades managing Ag and Construction equipment supply chains and observing these types of businesses and their markets as a practitioner I’ll offer a few comments of common sense and history.

    Deere for many years has been known for relatively conservative business thinking typically using relatively high inventory levels and product integrity to satisfy customers, but their lead times have also typically been some of the longest in the industry. That was OK as long as the market was willing to wait for their products and given the extremely strong reputation and brand loyalty that Deere had built up, the market place was content to live with the lead time.

    As with most companies Deere misjudged this last recession in entry timing, depth and breadth and obviously went on a lean (possibly misguided) program to maintain margin and cash flow; now having not properly judged the exit from recession they have minimal inventory to fall back on to support an uptick in demand. Yes you can run too lean especially if the lean process is primarily driven by strictly financial needs and not by market demand and operating capabilities. As well Deere possibly misjudged the fact that maybe their reputation and the willingness of the market place to wait for delivery has deteriorated during the recession and some customers desperately need to go elsewhere to replace ageing equipment.

  10. Matt Wrye

    Here is a great link to some discussion on low inventories and lean. All lean companies have low inventories but not all companies with low inventories are lean. http://www.evolvingexcellence.com/blog/2010/05/its-about-time-not-inventory.html

  11. Stewart Elliot

    I am not a “lean expert”, however I do have thirty-four experience in OEM Automotive Parts Manufacturing and training in KAIZEN implementation. I believe the major driver of “lean manufacturing” is to reduce overall costs. It costs less to store a 10,000 pound coil of steel in 16 square feet than it does to store 10,000 stampings in 50 square feet, than it does to store 500 welded sub-assemblies in 100 square feet, than it does to store 50 finished goods in 1600 square feet. “Lean Manufacturing” relies on “build to order”, if you have implemented all of the SMED and ” one piece flow” technology “up stream” you can quickly respond to changes in demand.

  12. Bruce

    You all have expressed some elements of the right answer however after spending the better part four decades managing Ag and Construction equipment supply chains and observing these types of businesses and their markets as a practitioner I’ll offer a few comments of common sense and history.

    Deere for many years has been known for relatively conservative business thinking typically using relatively high inventory levels and product integrity to satisfy customers, but their lead times have also typically been some of the longest in the industry. That was OK as long as the market was willing to wait for their products and given the extremely strong reputation and brand loyalty that Deere had built up, the market place was content to live with the lead time.

    As with most companies Deere misjudged this last recession in entry timing, depth and breadth and obviously went on a lean (possibly misguided) program to maintain margin and cash flow; now having not properly judged the exit from recession they have minimal inventory to fall back on to support an uptick in demand. Yes you can run too lean especially if the lean process is primarily driven by strictly financial needs and not by market demand and operating capabilities. As well Deere possibly misjudged the fact that maybe their reputation and the willingness of the market place to wait for delivery has deteriorated during the recession and some customers desperately need to go elsewhere to replace ageing equipment.

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